‘If this isn’t addiction, I don’t know what is’: Light’s founders get real about screen time


With theLight Phone,Kaiwei TangandJoe Hollierhave spent over a decade exploring the value of simplicity in our relationship to technology, partnering along the way with players likeAndrew Yang, Kendrick Lamar, and Pete Davidson. Now, with a new flip phone and a growing wave of “attention activists” pushing back against Big Tech, they think the rest of the world is finally catching up to them.

On this episode of TechCrunch’sEquitypodcast, Amanda Silberling talks with Tang and Hollier about the company’s newly announced flip phone, why they think the anti-smartphone backlash is only just getting started, and what it takes to break an addiction that fits in your pocket.

Listen to the full episode to hear more about:

  • How the design lessons from the original Motorola Razr shaped the new Light Flip
  • What the “Summer of Ludd” attention activist movement says about Gen Z’s relationship with Big Tech
  • Why Light Phone isopening upan SDK so users can build their own tools instead of opting for an app store

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Amanda Silberling is a senior writer at TechCrunch covering the intersection of technology and culture. She has also written for publications like Polygon, MTV, the Kenyon Review, NPR, and Business Insider. She is the co-host of Wow If True, a podcast about internet culture, with science fiction author Isabel J. Kim. Prior to joining TechCrunch, she worked as a grassroots organizer, museum educator, and film festival coordinator. She holds a B.A. in English from the University of Pennsylvania and served as a Princeton in Asia Fellow in Laos.

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Theresa Loconsolo is an audio producer at TechCrunch focusing on Equity, the network’s flagship podcast. Before joining TechCrunch in 2022, she was one of 2 producers at a four-station conglomerate where she wrote, recorded, voiced and edited content, and engineered live performances and interviews from guests like lovelytheband. Theresa is based in New Jersey and holds a bachelors degree in Communication from Monmouth University.

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